Pascale Osanz on the Hidden Influence of Color

Cate: Good morning, Pascale. How are you?

Pascale: Really good, thank you. Thank you very much. Let me introduce myself first if you want. I have been a colour therapist since 1991. And I'm also a healer, a Reiki master, tarot card reader, and I run meditation and spiritual development classes as well as tarot classes. This week, I started an Upward Spiral course online. It's the first time in my life I've started a course online, which I think was a little bit ridiculous. I should have done it a little bit earlier in my age, but anyway, here we go.

Cate: I think you've resisted. Well, you know, it firmly divided our community when COVID came. You either had the chance of being online or nothing, then a lot of people chose the nothing.

Pascale's Journey and the Upward Spiral System

Pascale: So, after more than 30 years in Victoria, 12 years in Queensland, and 5 years in the Northern Rivers near Casino, I'm now in Rylstone near Kandos. So it's on the other side of the Blue Mountains in Australia. I like to move all the time these days.

To talk about my colour therapy, it used to be called Spirale, but I changed the name this year to Upward Spiral. It is a colour therapy system created in Australia in 2001. It is a combination of colour, light, and energies. It's a means to gaze at your soul and to reach a better understanding of the self. In choosing our favorite colour, we actually allow the subconscious to show us our path in this lifetime.

colour is a part of every aspect of life. As you know, no matter how we use colour in our life to express ourselves, be it through clothing, flowers, furnishing, crystal, oils, or food, the colour we choose will have an effect on us. And also an effect on the people who are looking at us. For example, if you're a bit low in energy and you want to boost yourself, so you take a red jumper for example, it's good for your own energy, but people who are looking at you could see only the aggressive side of red and start to attack you and you wonder what's going on. So you have to be careful which colour you choose when you go for an interview, for example. Don't put red.

I have 79 different bottles from 0 to 79. And it's like the tarot card. Each colour is connected to a tarot. So, I can try to show, I don't know if I can show you a PowerPoint. Would it work?

Cate: Yes, that would be really, really good. And thank you for wearing that beautiful pink colour. For those who don't know, where Pascale lives is 2 degrees this morning. It's a very chilly place out in the western plains. Oh, well done. Fantastic.

Pascale: So, everybody can see it. So, why do we need an Upward Spiral consultation? Maybe we feel confused. Maybe we feel sick of not knowing where we are going in life. Maybe we are putting the blame on others, which is much easier. Really having trouble sleeping or always apologizing for everything and everyone. Upward Spiral gives a sense of self-responsibility.

Here I lost you. Do you still see it?

Cate: Yes. Yes.

Pascale: Self-value and positive power back to the individual. So this is how it works. We select your favorite 12 colours. The first three colours show our purpose in life. The next three colours show our excuses and blockages. And the next three colours show where we are now. The last three colours show a tendency towards the future, which is great because it shows that we can actually change. I believe in free will to some extent, but sometimes we can also change the direction. If your first column is very different from the last one, it means you are losing the plot a little bit. So it's time to reconnect with why I'm doing this.

The Colour Matrix and Its Meanings

Pascale: So you see that's what it works like, the colour matrix. There are three columns: one, two, three, and four. But on the lower row as well, you can have the subconscious, the conscious level, and the higher self level.

Your very first number, which is at the base of the first column, is what you bring back from the past. It could be from the recent past. It could be from previous life. It could be from childhood. But it could be also from your DNA. What are you here to heal in the family ancestry? So the very first bottle is the most important one and it is on the subconscious level. The second one is your conscious level. You know you came here for a specific purpose. And the third one is your higher self, your soul, who is going to help you to move on into what you are supposed to do.

On the second column, your number four is the main blockage. You know what's your excuse for not moving up like in your first column. And on a conscious level, you know that is a blockage. For example, if you have blue in your first column, blue is communication. Blue is the throat chakra. So if you have also blue in number four, obviously you know you are good at speaking, but it's risky. You know you have to find the right place, the right time because you are not going to be accepted for what you have to say. So a lot of people block the throat chakra not to have any problem with others. And that's very, very frequent. Now if you have red, for example, in number four, your main excuse would be, "Oh, if I had the money, I would do that." And of course, we always have the money for everything else but for our spiritual journey, typical, anyway.

So number six, on the sixth position, it's where you are now. And that's interesting because it's like a kick in the bum. You know, what are you waiting? What's going on at the moment? Why are you facing this situation? And then you have a progression in life, seven, eight, and nine. And then where you are heading in the future, 10, 11, and 12. So on each row, the colour can be read vertically as I just said, but also horizontally by rows. So as I just said before, you can have the lower row which is a subconscious, the middle row which is a conscious level and the top row which is a higher self level.

So it's not only colours. I also created 14 galactic elixirs. Here they are. And each one corresponds to a colour. So at the end of the consultation, we look at which colour is missing because it's interesting as well that we are really good at avoiding things. And so if you have for example no yellow, we can ask yourself where is the joy of living? If we have no red, how come your energy is so depleted at the moment, which is quite normal in winter here anyway. Anyway, you see, so the missing colour can be replaced with the galactic elixir of this specific colour and there are then 14 of them. And each colour is also connected to a specific tarot card which allows us to discover who we are on a psychological and the emotional level which prompts changes on the physical level. So that's what it is. Okay. So how do I go back now to the people?

Cate: Just stop sharing. So, you need that little...

Pascale: I don't have the screen anymore. Oh, yeah. Here it is.

Cate: You just press stop sharing down there. Can you see that one? I think maybe. Oh, yeah.

Pascale: Yeah. Yeah.

Cate: Okay. Well done. That's a fascinatingly evolved system that you've created there. And I'm very curious to know where did that come from? Was that from a teacher of yours or was it downloaded or how?

The Origins of Upward Spiral and Orasoma

Pascale: Yes. I started with a group called Aurasoma in 1991 in England and it was fascinating because I started to read a book by Vicky Wall and I was not at all—I didn't know anything about colour therapy and I read the book and I thought that's my stuff. I have to, I have to do it and it was urgent. I never ever seen anything like this. And straight away I inherited some money from an auntie so I could go to England and do the—and first I wrote a letter to Vicky Wall, the writer of the book, and I just received a message saying Vicky just passed away. And I thought, "Oh my gosh, she contacted me from spirit." It was like a deep past memory, you know. I knew her. It's like I had to meet her and I met her through the book and it was so—I went to England and it was a little bit of a turmoil because she just passed away. So they didn't know what to do. The bottles didn't have any numbers. It was a huge mess. And I was in the first class and as soon as I started the class, they asked me to teach in Victoria. And it was like I went three times or more than three times, level one, level two, teacher course. I went all these courses and somewhere in Egypt, in Crete, in Bali. It was really fantastic. I was looking for a direction in life. I was a radio announcer for Radio Australia and suddenly I find myself in a totally new world. And I had to choose at some stage and I thought no, no, no, I love my job because it's good safety, you know, good money and everything. But of course Radio Australia closed down so I had to do it. So it was like, okay, I will become a therapist full-time, which was absolutely scary. But I became also the director of Aurasoma Victoria with my husband, which was nothing at all involved with the colour therapy. But this company really liked men and they didn't want women and, you know, the women were the slaves and the men got the money. It was very weird. So after a lot of disagreement, I thought I can't stay in a company which I criticize everything together. And so in 2001, I left and I created this technique with all the criticisms I had for the years.

Cate: Wow. Okay. So it was like an evolution of Aurasoma, more or less. And does Aurasoma still going strong out there?

Pascale: Not at all because men focus on money. So it became a money, money and lots of all the oldies, all the women of the first classes, have been expelled. They didn't want us anymore, you know, because we were too intuitive and they don't want the intuitive. So these days you look at the bottle and you say, "Oh beautiful, what do you think it could mean?" You don't say anything. You don't talk about previous life because it could be traumatic. You don't talk about childhood because it is dangerous. So I thought it's disappearing. It's a pity, really. It's such an amazing technique and it has been totally spoiled. It's a great pity.

Cate: Well then you have a lot of responsibility on your shoulders, madam, to bring that out.

Pascale: Yeah, it's easy to claim. It's easy to advertise for a product which is not yours, but as soon as it's yours, it's like, "I'm not sure I can do it. I'm not sure it's good enough," and so on. So, it was a lot of, "I don't know. I don't think I can do it." So, for many years, I stayed quiet and it's only now it's about time at my age to move on, really.

Cate: Yes. And the world needs you. There's so much healing going on at the moment, I think. It's unfortunate that old paradigm where everything comes down to a monetary choice rather than the actual healing. And I think perhaps all of us who have been in this field for a while have watched the inoculation that's happened when big business gets interested. As soon as that figure came out that the wellness industry was worth 4 trillion, apparently now it's worth 6.2 trillion, then everybody who was concerned with making a buck came in and I watched the whole yoga world, the whole corporate health world become inoculated with people who were really less involved in healing than the money.

Pascale: Yes.

The Polarity of Colour

Pascale: Anyway, I can show you a little bit the colours themselves. I have another and it's called the polarity of colour.

Cate: Please.

Pascale: So can you see?

Cate: Yes. That's beautiful.

Pascale: It's a friend of mine from Aurasoma who created this this year and I thought, "Oh, beautiful." You know, it's amazing. So, as you know, each colour has a positive and a negative aspect like the yin and the yang.

For example, red is a life ray. It's a colour of strength, life force, and vitality as well as warmth. But on the negative side, it will show anger, stress, and frustration. So when I talk on the negative side, I mean on the second column, your number four or five or six, that's what you will show.

Pink is also red with lots of white into it and it's called the unconditional love ray and it's a colour for compassion and love, understanding and caring. Pink is feminine. It could show need for love or smother love. Which is interesting when a lot of women come for a consultation and they wear a lot of pink, like the girl who wrote a teenage novel and she was always wearing pink. It's because they're scared to age, you know. We don't want to get old. Unfortunately, it's hard to avoid, almost impossible.

Orange. It's a wisdom ray and it's connected to the spleen chakra. It's the seat of the memory bank, inside awareness and bliss, energized wisdom and aspiration. It is also attributed to trauma and shock, be it past or present, emotional or physical. In its negative state it's associated with deep fear. So for example, if your first bottle would be orange, it actually shows that you have an issue you need to deal with straight away. You ignore the past. Something happened to you. Let's deal with it now. And it's interesting when children choose that colour first because it's like, "Oh, are we going to tell that child who can express themself to say something is really wrong in their life?" And it's really interesting. So you give them the orange galactic. I had a little boy who came and he had three oranges and I gave him one vial and he broke it straight away. So I gave him another one again. He broke it. So I thought, "Oh my gosh, he's so much in need of that colour, you know, and it's, yeah, he went better because of that." So I can't—oh, I lost it.

Yellow is a logic and joy ray. It's connected to the solar plexus chakra, the "I am" center. It stimulates the intellect, the colour of sunshine, joy and happiness. It indicates a quest for enlightenment. And you see this little person is—she's called Joy. Apparently, it's from a film for young people. And I have a student who is helping me at the moment to understand my computer a little bit better. And she said, "You need to put that one for joy." And so she did. On the negative side, it could show anxiety, jealousy, suspicion, nervousness, lack of assimilation, and fear. It's interesting that in French, for example, yellow is jalousie when in English it's going to be green. Green will be jealousy. So, for example, if you are French, you never give yellow roses to your girlfriend or it shows you are not faithful.

Green is a balance. It's connected to the heart chakra and it denotes harmony and balance. It represents the emotions, helps to make decisions and find truth. It is associated with nature of course and natural therapies of course. On the shadow side, it shows difficulties in decision making and lacking direction. It also denotes as we said before with the yellow, envy, jealousy or resentment.

Turquoise is creativity. Turquoise represents creative communication from the and artistic abilities, going with the flow. It is a colour of one to many compared to the blue which is one to one. And turquoise, when you give a talk for example, like this little scarf, it's when you talk to people, it helps the communication, you reach them at the right level. It's also of course computer and silicon chips. It helps in public speaking. It's obviously connected with Atlantis and on a negative level it could indicate creative blocks, misuse of power and superficiality. I can see at the moment for example with the media, an enormous amount of manipulative communication. You know it's very hard to believe the news these days because it's so—oh, they show you something instead of showing you something else. So we are distracted to what's going on. So it helps to be a journalist because I have been doing exactly this.

Blue is a peace red. It's a seat of the throat chakra, bringing with it peace and communication. As we said before, one-to-one communication. But on the negative side, blue shows authority, blockages in communication, and also separation, isolation, discontentment, and a need for peace. If a woman, for example, has lots of blue in her first colour, it shows that her parents thought they were going to have a boy and therefore they are going to try to please them by every means in being tomboy. You know, doing things a girl should not be doing. And it's interesting that they act as male instead of and generally save pink in second position as well until they realize that being a female in this lifetime is actually our strength. Thanks God we are women because we can have a larger vision of what's going on around us. That's what I believe.

Royal blue / indigo is intuitive red. It's connected to the third eye. It indicates deep spirituality, healing and ESP qualities such as clairaudience, clairvoyance and meditation. But on a negative level, it could indicate deep depression, extreme introversion, difficulties in expression and an extreme form of dependency. Generally, when people have royal blue as a blockage, it means they come from somewhere else in the universe and they have difficulties accepting the incarnation on Earth this lifetime, but they had free will, they agreed to do it so it's a bit late to say, "Can I change my mind?" And a lot—I had a young man who tried I think four or five times to kill himself because he couldn't accept this life. It's only when he met a girl who was like him that she took him to the spiritual journey and together they are moving on. And it was interesting, it seems that the mother had breast cancer at some stage and he suddenly realized he could lose her. And that's—he realized the damage he did to the mom in trying to kill himself all the time. So that was a really very important lesson in his life.

Violet is a spiritual ray. It relates to the crown chakra. It is healing and transformation. It helps develop intuition, concentration and meditation. But negatively it could indicate depression, aloofness and grief as well as procrastination. I'm strongly working with Santerini, the master healer, the master alchemist because I think at this time in life we are ascending. We have to move on and it's no choice. And, you know, I started a class this week and all the students have Santerini in their selection and I thought, "Oh yeah, that's interesting because now we have to move on." They chose that class to be able to move on. Nobody can do it for them, it's personal issues and I was really ecstatic.

Magenta is love from above. It's love merged into service. Love from the divine. Love from that know as conscious awareness. But on a negative level it could indicate perfectionism, over-attachment to the little things in life and compulsion such as an obsessive need for cleanliness.

And I think that's it. If you have any questions.

Cate: It's entirely beautiful to be exposed to colours this early in the morning. It's quite—I don't know how you're feeling, Jacqui-May or Martine, but I love that just having colours, talking about colours and being in colours. It's really quite special. Yeah.

Pascale: Really exciting. I mean, when you discover the gentle push colour creates in your life. When I started, I had a friend, a French friend in Victoria who was doing the skin tone and which colour you should wear. And I was always in a navy blue. And she said, "You know, you should wear a little bit of pink." And I said, "I hate pink because my childhood bedroom was all pink because I was the only girl." I hated it. And so she bought me a t-shirt, a pink t-shirt, and, you know, people would smile to me in the street and for my gosh, I didn't realize such power of a colour. So that's the way I started as well.

Cate: Fantastic. So please, Martine and Jacqui-May, spring into this conversation. I'd love to hear.

Colours in Everyday Life

Martine: Yeah, just following up on the pink. I heard this amazing experiment they did in the states where they painted the walls of the prison inside the cells in pink.

Pascale: Yes, it's true because very powerful. Yeah, the whole room was not pink, but half of the walls were pink. And it's true. It was very much to slow down the violence within themselves. It's true.

Martine: And I remember in Sydney some time ago, some years ago, they painted all the trains inside bright yellow. It was really strong and the yellow is also a mental energy, and we are so much in our heads. It was really uncomfortable being in the train with this colour.

Cate: Why did they choose that, Martine?

Martine: I have no idea. I have no idea.

Pascale: Because maybe in feng shui it's good to stimulate the intellect, but you know you have to be careful that people with dementia or Alzheimer's disease will choose a lot of yellow. So if you are into depression and you go into that train, I don't think it's a good idea because it will stimulate the foolishness in their head.

Cate: I think, and everybody that's been in Sydney lately knows how crazy that place is. So it would really bring on the craziness to do that. Yes. Do you know, do colour therapists get employed by larger organizations out there to give colour consultations like setting up offices or...?

Pascale: It depends. I think it's more feng shui people will go into feng shui to choose the right colours, which is a little bit different from a psychological view. But I have a lot of students who are doing feng shui as well. And I used to teach in Melbourne at the International College of Environmental Studies. So it was really interesting as well.

Writing, Self-Publishing, and Future Plans

Cate: Fascinating. So tell me, if you were to write this beautiful book again, would you say exactly the same thing? Do you love it as it is because it's been when?

Pascale: The first time I was, when I was with Aurasoma, it's really weird the way it happens because I was invited to a party, a 21st birthday party in Victoria and my friend said, "You know, this woman is an editor for Penguin and they would like someone to write a book about colour therapy." And I thought, "Oh my gosh, I'm not sure I can do it in English." So I asked a friend who was not at all a colour therapist to help me to put the book together and unfortunately it was mostly published under her name because she was called Julie Gunstone with a J and mine was an O. So I went in second position, which she was not even a colour therapist, but anyway, I thought, "Leave my ego behind. It doesn't matter." But you know, I resented it.

Cate: So did that book get published by Penguin?

Pascale: Yes, it was published by Penguin and unfortunately they stopped because we only sold 5,000, which I thought was not too bad, but no. You can still find it on out-of-print books, you know. And so I rewrote it when I left Aurasoma. I rewrote it and I think it was that one and no, I wrote another one with Ex Libris and Ex Libris was again totally about money. They didn't want to sell the books and it was too expensive. So I let go and I self-published this one.

Cate: And how have you gone with promoting it then?

Pascale: Very poorly. But I think it is through Amazon and but you know I don't have any feedback or anything so it doesn't matter. I wrote a few books after that like with my spiritual development class, it's 10 weeks so each week is a chapter of the book. And I wrote recently a book about the Tree of Life, the Kabbalah, which is what I love most as well, showing how the bottle connects to the Tree of Life and how we can understand who we are if we walk on the Tree of Life.

Cate: Wow. I'm really looking forward to talking about that some more one day. Fascinating. Yeah, it's a beautiful thing, isn't it? So many of the authors that have joined us have—it's been a download. It's definitely come through them and come out and been, you know, it's they give full attribute to the ancestors and the archangels and whoever else is out there in the great beyond of bringing that through them. Yeah. Really, really.

Pascale: Because I didn't want to write books, you know. It's like every time when a spirit says, "Oh, this one would be good." And so I have to do it and I thought it's really the reluctant writer. I don't like writing books. And so I also wrote my biography and I thought if I write my biography, I know my husband straight away will want to write his own. And so I waited two years and after two years I thought, "Okay, I'll do it." And straight away he said, "Oh, I'm writing mine too." Just to prove he was better than me, of course.

Cate: And who won?

Pascale: I think he did because mine—I paid for an editor and this woman accepted the money but she was very sick and actually she died and the book has been very, very poorly edited. So yeah, so that happened.

Cate: What to do. And Jacqui-May, have you got any questions or thoughts over there?

Insights and Future Endeavours

Jacqui-May: Lots of thoughts, probably too many. I remember reading Vicky Wall's book as well many years ago and I had a consultation with an Aurasoma practitioner back in the 90s. So it was interesting to hear you talk about that. Correct me if I'm wrong, Pascale, but Vicky Wall who developed Aurasoma, she was blind, is that right?

Pascale: Yes, she was. I mean, not technically blind, but I think she could see. You know, she couldn't see but it was blur, but it all came from channeling, for sure.

Jacqui-May: Yeah, which is why it was so surprising to hear that then all of a sudden they didn't want the intuitive aspect of working with colour and the vibration of colour to actually come through Aurasoma. So that's quite sad. But, you know, I find what you've developed here fascinating in regards to the different levels of consciousness and then how that sort of also relates to the tarot. It sounds like a fascinating system. So you're actually teaching the process now. Do you still do consultations yourself?

Pascale: Yes. Yes, I do it through Zoom. Yeah.

Jacqui-May: Okay. Okay.

Pascale: And it's consultation. And it's $80.

Jacqui-May: Okay. And how does that happen with the bottles? Do you show the individual?

Pascale: I send you a list of all the colours and you choose your 12 favorite colours. But it also works with numbers. If you choose your numbers between 0 and 79, your subconscious chooses as well, just like the colours. So it's always right. I never worry about the consultation because people comply, you know, it's a soul who speaks to you. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's fascinating. Very interesting. I'd like to try that. Thank you, Jacqui. Yes.

Jacqui-May: Just very quickly from a mental health perspective, I actually did a little bit of colour therapy a while ago and one thing that they say is that when a person becomes quite despondent or depressed, they lose a lot of colour out of their lives.

Pascale: And so to bring—it's a bit difficult because when you look, when you live in a city, you suddenly lose colour. You are black or white and it's amazing that if you lose contact with nature, you lose contact with colours and unfortunately people want to be in cities and they don't realize that they are missing the point. Yeah.

Jacqui-May: True. But in regards to even the clothes they wear, what they have around them. I often recommend to people that they go out and buy a whole lot of colourful cushions but to understand which colours would best, you know, serve them or work for them to start to lift them. That would be, you know, even making it more intuitive, more specific, more helpful, I guess.

Cate: Indeed. It's deeply disturbing, isn't it? In the city, how many people wear gray and black and beige and that olive green and brown and that white? So it's just like, "Wow, where is the palette gone?" You know, where's the joy in here?

Pascale: Even in the houses, you know, every room is black or white. How depressing could that be? Or gray. Yes. You know, not fun.

Cate: Well, Pascale, you're waging a really important war here, a positive war, to try and bring colour back. And we're going to find ways to get your word out there, and we'll find ways to play. So, you and I will work on that. And we really appreciate you sharing all that you've shared. It was like a lesson that I wasn't expecting actually. I was expecting to talk about the book, but I've come away with more knowledge, transmission. So, thank you. And is there any final things that you, Martine or Jacqui-May or Pascale, would like to say?

Jacqui-May: Just also thank you.

Martine: Thank you so much. Yeah, that was so exciting. Yeah, explore this. Yeah, thank you.

Pascale: Thank you.

Cate: And thank you, Pascale, for sharing your deep knowledge and thank you for spending so many years in the field. It's a lot of years and I really hope we can encourage you to become a mentor for other therapists after three decades. I think we need to tap into the knowledge levels that you're holding and the deep wisdom. So a thousand thanks and I hope everybody gets encouraged to go out and buy this book. It's the most fabulous scientific book too. It's got all kinds of background about how colour works in the world and what vibration is. So I wasn't expecting that level of knowledge, but I felt much smarter after it. I really appreciate that. And people can order from me this book. I can send it to them. I have plenty here.

Pascale: Okay. All right. I think they may have run out on Amazon. I'm not sure. I can't remember. But I think we've created the link. Well, it's better through me. We—it's better through me. Okay. Through my website, which is changing soon. Anyway, okay, beautiful. Up an Upward Spiral. Off we go. I love that idea.

Pascale: Thank you. Yeah. Thank you.

Cate: All right, everyone. Thank you so much for joining us. Enjoy the day. You, too. Bye. Bye.